Report The Ched Evans Debacle in General Chat Posted October 23, 2016 · Edited October 23, 2016 by hux If you honestly think victims should be investigated as thoroughly as perpetrators, should somehow be tried as to why they didn't prevent the assault, then you are insane.1)Strawman. Where did I say victims should be investigated as thoroughly as perpetrators? I'm arguing in favour of relevant past behaviour being applicable to the case. There is no witch hunt to expose their sexual life.2) There's something called innocent until proven guilty. Whether or not someone is a victim or perpetrator... is yet to be determined. That you already seem to know that every accusing woman is a victim and every accused man, a perpetrator... is telling. This isn't the 1950's. And if you are talking about women raping men,(which I just discovered, much to my surprise, happens to roughly 1in1200 men) then I don't hear anyone advocating that those women be let off the hook. And, if it did happen to you, would you want your entire sexual history paraded before the court? Would you think it was relevant to whether or not you had been attacked? But probably you were talking about those drunk guys who allegedly couldn't give consent because they were not in their right minds. . And, as I mentioned earlier, not only do I think this is difficult-bordering-on-impossible to prove, but I feel that if one, willfully and without coercion, gets so stinking wasted that they are saying things they don't remember, they should probably be held accountable for what they have said. So to answer your question-if someone's, man or woman,intoxication is self inflicted and they are still verbal then I believe they can give consent.The current feminist narrative is very much that an intoxicated woman (to any extent) can NEVER give consent. She is always a victim of rape. If you're saying you disagree with the vast majority of feminists then does that make you a misogynist? But I also stand by my statement that in the vast majority of cases a man so drunk he doesn't even remember meeting the woman will be incapable of achieving and sustaining an erection. In my long association with drunks and barflies the only men I've known who were potent when extremely drunk were also men who did not blackout when they drank.Irrelevant. You're essentially dismissing it as 'none that big a deal'. The fact remains that not one woman has ever been convicted for sexual assault based on the premise that an intoxicated man cannot give consent. Meanwhile, there are plenty of examples of men being convicted under exactly the same circumstances.