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Darkstar
15th January 2005, 05:51 PM
I'm not quite sure where to put this thread, as there doesn't seem to be an appropriate category, so I'm sticking it here.

The Seven Basic Plots or Why We Tell Stories.

The Seven Basic Plots by Christopher Booker is an immense work. With over 700 pages of teeny tiny type, we would expect it to be virtually unreadable, but it’s not. It’s interesting, revealing, and thought provoking. A work that has taken over forty years to write and involved the reading of a huge amount of literature, Booker does his subject justice.

Many of us, especially those of us who are writers, find the idea that there are very few plots intriguing. Without thinking about it too hard, we can all trace similarities between stories we have read, heard or seen as movies, for example most of us are aware of a quest type plot, where the hero or group of heroes must go through many adventures in order to achieve their goal. LOTR is only one of the more recent examples.

In the first section of the book, Booker describes the seven plots he has identified, while noting that many stories take elements from more than one. He concentrates largely on Western examples, using stories that are likely to be familiar to the book’s intended audience. Later on, in other sections he does note examples from other cultures, to highlight the universality of the strands that he has identified.

The plots are, Overcoming the Monster, Rags to Riches, The Quest, Voyage and Return, Comedy, Tragedy, and lastly, Rebirth. Of these, he identifies comedy as the only one that has evolved during the historical period, from the Greek comedies of Aristophanes et al. It is worth noting that of these, only tragedy does not have a happy ending.

But we can all think of stories that do not fit into these patterns – stories like Hardy’s The Mayor of Casterbridge, or any Sherlock Holmes story. The second section of the book is devoted to what Booker calls stories that ‘miss the mark’. He asserts that this type of story has developed in Western literature over the last 200 years, as a result of the rise of Romanticism. I found this section very revealing, as it explained the dissatisfaction I have often felt with certain authors.

The final section is devoted to an examination of why we tell stories, and produces an explanation that is rooted in psychology. I found it interesting, but to a lesser degree than the rest of the book, as I didn't entirely agree with Booker's conclusions. This last section seemed so different from the rest of the book that it could almost have been published separately.

On the downside, the book is often repetitive, with the same examples being gone over, several times. It is also very badly edited with numerous typos, and Booker’s editor really should have tried to stop him using the word ‘little’ quite so frequently.

This will certainly be a book to dip into many times, and I recommend it to everyone with a desire to explore further the structure of stories and the archetypes behind them.

Claire
17th January 2005, 06:08 PM
I'd never heard of this book before....but I sooooo much want to read it, having read this review of it.

I've read something else that claimed to categorise plots - (was it 20 or 49 of them, I can't remember). But all it did was that - categorise them. There was very little analysis or discussion, it was more of a guide for using such plots in your own writing, and hence not everso satisfying to read.

How did you come across this book, Darkstar? Have you read anything else similar? I'm fascinated by the whole idea of stories, and how they connect to people and pull them in in different ways....

Darkstar
17th January 2005, 06:36 PM
I was on an Arvon Foundation writing course just before Christmas and one of the tutors recommended it. I got the book for Christmas, but at £25 it's not cheap. :(

I meant to give an outline of one of the plots - this is Rebirth.

1. A young hero or heroine falls under the shadow of the dark power (whatever that is).
2. For a while, all may seem to go reasonably well, the threat may even seem to have receded;
3.eventually, it approaches again in full force, until the hero or heroine is seen imprisoned in the state of living death; (this may be internal or external)
4. this continues for a long time, when it seems that the dark power has completely triumphed;
5. but finally comes the miraculous redemption: either, where the imprisoned figure is a heroine, by the hero; or, where it is the hero, by a Young Woman or a Child.

Examples Booker gives are The Snow Queen, Silas Marner and The Secret Garden.

This book is a lot more than a simple category list. There is so much depth to it. I have a book which lists character archetypes, but the number of examples it provides is paltry compared to the sheer volume of literature that this book covers.

Claire
18th January 2005, 04:34 PM
I soooo much want to read it.....

The question is - would I rather ask for this book for my birthday.....or those Lord of the Rings Extended Edition DVDs.....

How is a girl to choose :confused:

I did look for it on the library computer system....but Bradford Library Database denys all knowledge of it's existance :rolleyes:

How was the Arvon Foundation course? I've seen them advertised - was it worth going?

Darkstar
18th January 2005, 06:13 PM
Oh gosh what a dilemma! And the ROTK EE is well worth it too.

I really enjoyed the Arvon Foundation course I went on - it was about re-writing and editing, which was what I needed. Bit pricey, but on the whole well worth it.

Claire
18th January 2005, 06:30 PM
I'm secretly hoping for the whole trilogy.....I'm just not sure I'm capable of being that devoted and loving to my husband, all the way until June....I can normally only manage a day or two before I start getting all grouchy again!

Star
29th March 2009, 03:43 PM
I've just finished this book after ploughing through it for weeks...it is 700+ pages long.

I found the descriptions of the 7 basic plots very useful and I'm sure it has already helped me focus on the stories I write and find the right journey/ending for them. This section makes up about a quarter of the book and for me it could have ended there because I was far less convinced by the rest of it.

I get that there may be a dark male character and a light male character and the same for the female characters, as well as a hero/heroine who has to find a balance between the male and the female in their own life, but after that it gets more complicated. Booker seems to be imposing his own views about the world and certain books on this. For example, he dismisses some types of plot such as mystery and detective stories, which, according to Booker, are clever, but not satisfying and therefore not deserving of plot status. This makes it seem as if he's twisting the facts to suit his own views.

After seeing his views on feminism (female characters acting too male) and communism (a tragedy), amongst others, I started to think that he may have a slightly biased world view.

He obviously has a preference for stories that promote self-improvement and while laudable, I’m not convinced that dismissing the stories that don’t conform is right. Also, stories may teach you about life, but to say that life follows the same path as the 7 basic plots is stretching the point and probably depends on your viewpoint.

jfp
5th August 2009, 10:00 AM
I've been doing some sorting out and have come across this again and dusted it off... last time round I got rather bogged down and laid it aside... Guess that was about three years ago (I see I bought it on 20.12.05....)

I can't help thinking it might be better dipped into, but maybe it's the kind of book where you have to sit down at a desk with a pencil, rather than the kind you curl up in a chair with...

Jen
5th August 2009, 11:35 AM
My copy hasn't moved from its space on the shelf for a good while and after seeing Christopher Brooker interviewing someone at a literary festival I can't say I expect to be reaching for it soon. Like Star, I felt that he had a "slightly biased world view" and one that was unlikely to tally with mine!