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Flingo
25th February 2007, 10:51 PM
Rescued Thread

Flingo 23rd February 2006 04:31 PM

New research has shown that reading to boys when they are small means they are less likely to turn into delinquents and horrors as teenagers. It doesn't seem to make any difference with girls though!

Full article (http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/1100education/tm_objectid=16690336%26method=full%26siteid=50082-name_page.html)

I'm sure that most of the parents of boys here are now feeling most virtuous!

minxminnie 23rd February 2006 09:43 PM

It strikes me that this is partly due to the fact that parents who read to their children are more involved parents, which is bound to have an impact on their child's behaviour.
(I'm a teacher but not a parent.)

Momo 23rd February 2006 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by minxminnie
It strikes me that this is partly due to the fact that parents who read to their children are more involved parents, which is bound to have an impact on their child's behaviour.
(I'm a teacher but not a parent.)

But that would mean it would make the same difference with girls. I do understand the link to literacy, though, as explained in the article. Boys who like to read have more and different interests and can express themselves better so don't have to resolve everything physically. In any case, if you read to them, they will more likely pick up a book by themselves and that can improve their grades.
I have read somewhere that children of families with a lot of books at home are more likely to like and be good at reading. And I have seen that with a lot of kids, as well.

Hazel 24th February 2006 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Momo
I have read somewhere that children of families with a lot of books at home are more likely to like and be good at reading. And I have seen that with a lot of kids, as well.

Well, my two boys should be little literate angels! We have thousands of books all pver the house, they both get a story read to them every night, and I read whatever book I am reading to them during the day when they ask me to.

I'll let you know what they are like in 14 years...

megustaleer 24th February 2006 10:45 AM

I'm not sure where my elder son fits into the theory.
I read to him from the age of 2 months, but because he is dyslexic he struggled with learning to read for himself, and was 7 before he made the breakthrough (even as an adult he can't read aloud with any fluency unless he is familiar with the text).

Originally Posted by from the article
"Those who had difficulties at age five with readiness to read, such as a small vocabulary and poor verbal skills, became increasingly involved in anti-social behaviour, bullying others, telling lies, stealing.

Although he struggled with text, he had a huge vocabulary, and could talk to anyone, so really it must be verbal skills rather than reading skills that are needed.

Anyway, both my sons knew that I'd stop whatever I was doing and give them my full attention if they brought a book to me, and that I read for pleasure myself. So, even if it was difficult, reading was a pleasurable activity.

Neither of them brought trouble home, and living in a village we'd have heard about any misdemeanors, and both read for pleasure as adults.

(The dyslexic son is the one who read The Very Hungry Caterpillar to his own premature son in an incubator)

So, yes, I'm afraid I am feeling a bit smug!

Momo 24th February 2006 11:34 AM

So, Meg, your sons do fit into that category. If your son has difficulties with reading, it's not because of lack of interest or encouragement but because of a disability. I am sure that is not a situation you can "blame" on his environment. (Can't find a better word, I hope you understand what I mean.)

Hazel, my eldest son is 16, when he was at playgroup his teachers told me they only had to look at the book corner and he would sit there in an instant, no matter what he was playing with at the moment. He would love being read to and he learned to read without any difficulties. We would read to him all the time, we both love reading a lot and our house just bursts becaue of all the books (our movers said they only once moved more books than in our household, when they moved part of the British Museum ;) ). Anyway, my son read "The Lord of the Rings" when he was eleven, finished every "Harry Potter" within a day or a day and a half and constantly reads a book. So, this is what you will have in a couple of years.
My younger son had a little more difficulties to learn to read, it took him a little longer to find out that those letters (which he could "read" very early) put together meant words but he is a good reader now, he likes reading though doesn't read as fast as my older son. He is eleven now and I guess if those "Lord of the Rings" movies hadn't been out, he might be reading them by now. (Neither of them likes to read a book after a movie or the other way round.)

Claire
26th February 2007, 05:13 PM
I think I missed this thread first time round. I've always read loads to both my kids, and it now gives me huge delight to see my seven year old son constantly in the middle of reading something or other. Reading is right up there with lego and drawing as his favourite hobbies. He's working his way through my husband's huge pile of Asterix books at the moment, as well as a big DK book of spies and spying.

brightphoebus
5th March 2007, 05:05 PM
My son is dyslexic / dyspraxic. He loved me reading to him when he was little, and as he grew up we discovered story tapes at the library, and then he was nominated for The Listening Library. He listened to many of the classics - 1984, The Woman in White, The Grapes of Wrath, loads of great books which he listened to over and over again. His vocabulary grew exponentially.

Now he's in his 20s and reads very little, though his spoken language is so very good. HOWEVER he has just finished Flight To Arras by St Exupery which I slipped him and he loved it so much he is going to re-read it! I feel so good when he likes a book enough to stick it through. He has also accepted some Murakami and really enjoyed Norwegian Wood. I just have to be inventive and laid back and sometimes we get a breakthrough :banana:

Barblue
5th March 2007, 05:22 PM
My son is dyslexic / dyspraxic. :
Snap. Our eldest was dyspraxic. He is now in his thirties, and we did all the same things brightphoebus. He too went off reading, especially after doing his degree - and who can blame him after four years of intense reading.

I'm happy to say that he returned to reading a few years later, especially as he was then living in London and found reading on his tube journeys made the time go quicker. I think the greatest achievement I had was reading Ulysses with him. That is to say, after every chapter he would phone me and we would talk through what it was about and what each of us got out of it. Sadly he does not have much spare time for reading now as he lives close to his work and has a very active step-son. Who by the way gets read to quite a lot!

Momo
5th March 2007, 06:39 PM
From what I hear, a lot of boys stop reading in their twenties. Some pick it up again later. And it has nothing to do with being dyslexic/dispraxic or not.

Hilary
12th June 2007, 10:54 AM
I do read to my boys. We read stories but they are mostly keen for me to read fact books. And they almost always have a book in their hands, they read in the car, at breakfast, before bed etc.

Mostly at the moment they are reading Lord of the Rings game books from Games Workshop, but at least they are reading! And they have absorbed so many facts from those books about the different characters in the game and their various skills...it's astonishing. My dh, who got them into it in the first place as a hobby they could all do together, is regularly put to shame by not knowing stuff and reaching to check in a book and having both boys tell him the correct answer without looking! And given these books are written for adults/teenagers and my youngest boy is only 6...

Momo
13th June 2007, 01:23 PM
My dh, who got them into it in the first place as a hobby they could all do together, is regularly put to shame by not knowing stuff and reaching to check in a book and having both boys tell him the correct answer without looking! And given these books are written for adults/teenagers and my youngest boy is only 6...http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/028.gif

Hilary
13th June 2007, 02:58 PM
And it's now accompanied by hoots of laughter and two cries of 'Da-aad, don't you know anything?'

Momo
14th June 2007, 06:23 PM
It will get worse, they'll start correcting him. My dh is from Southern Germany and has an accent in English. You an imagine the rolling eyes and corrections he has to endure when he mispronounces an English word in front of our kids who grew up with English as their first language.

Hilary
14th June 2007, 09:46 PM
They already do, dh has long southern vowels and we all have short northern ones and they always correct him 'Dad, it's castle, not carstle' 'Dad, I'm not on the grarss, I'm on the grass!' :rolleyes: :D Mind you, I do it too, 'yes, I'll pass you your glass, but only if you pronounce it properly!' :D

Momo
18th June 2007, 04:23 PM
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brightphoebus
18th June 2007, 07:52 PM
My 23 year old son accepted Never Let Me Go by Ishiguro. I really hope he manages to read it! Cross your fingers for me.

Momo
24th June 2007, 09:24 PM
If he likes it, it might be a good introduction for a busy reader. Crossing fingers for you!!

megustaleer
24th June 2007, 09:28 PM
Talk of angels (http://www.bookgrouponline.com/forum/showpost.html?p=41294&postcount=326), and you hear the rustling of their wings :notworthy

Momo
26th June 2007, 08:06 PM
Talk of angels (http://www.bookgrouponline.com/forum/showpost.html?p=41294&postcount=326), and you hear the rustling of their wings :notworthyOh, Meg! http://www.invision.smileyville.net/smilies/lnr (7).gif

Colyngbourne
3rd July 2007, 10:46 AM
I am still reading to my 11½ yr old son, but am likely to stop over the summer: we have probably one book left to enjoy together. I did the same with my older son, and my older daughter was read to until she was over 13.

As much as the developing of a love of reading (and listening!) and a growing insight into the lives of others via fiction in particular, it also provides a chance to talk with a boy, which is not always manageable when they have their thumbs glued to the directional arrows of the computer or the Playstation.

Momo
3rd July 2007, 03:09 PM
... it also provides a chance to talk with a boy that is not always manageable when they have their thumbs glued to the directional arrows of the computer or the Playstation. :yup: :yup: :yup:

Boris the Cat
17th July 2007, 08:38 PM
My boys had to ask me to stop reading to them - my youngest was nine! (Before I'd managed to track down the final volume of the Earthsea Trilogy too!) I'm relieved to say, however, that the last book I read to them was the end book of the Series of Unfortunate Events Series, and a very fine read it was too. I think maybe seven children was not enough, I'm not ready to stop my boys from being delinquents yet! :(

Hazel
17th July 2007, 08:51 PM
Seven children? Really?

Boris the Cat
17th July 2007, 09:20 PM
Only three boys, though.

Hazel
18th July 2007, 06:46 AM
Blimey! I would love 4 boys, have 2 now, but hubby has said no.

Elfstar
18th July 2007, 08:53 AM
I can assure you Hazel that 4 boys is very hard work. With 2 teenagers doubly so. Girls appear to be a civilizing influence (as long as there aren't too many)

Boris the Cat
18th July 2007, 01:04 PM
Yeah, four girls seems to be about right for civilizing! My brother's three sisterless boys are diabolical, though. And it's not for want of being read to, my brother and sister-in-law <b>both</b> used to have to read to their eldest every night - how nauseating is that? Probably why he mercilessly beats his younger brothers at every opportunity, because they took mummy and daddy away from him! So I think I'd advise against overkill on the reading-to-boys front!

Momo
19th July 2007, 09:56 PM
I don't think it's the influence of a sister or not. Both my boys loved to be read to but if there was a reason why it couldn't be done on a particular evening, that was fine (they didn't happen that often, of course). And I have had to look after teenage girls (or younger ones in school) a few times and they can be quite demanding, as well. I think it depends on the child and the way people raise them (both together), not just on their sex how a child behaves.
I've always been quite happy with my two boys.

Hazel
25th July 2007, 06:43 PM
Interesting article in light of our discussions -


Bedtime stories a problem for many parents


Helen Carter
Tuesday July 24, 2007
The Guardian

One in 10 parents struggle to understand the bedtime stories they read to their children, a survey by adult learning organisation Learndirect has found. Almost a quarter (23%) skip passages they cannot read or invent words to get to the end of a sentence, the poll found. A third of parents also admit to difficulties in helping their children with their maths homework.

Despite the difficulties, the poll found that reading stories is enjoying a renaissance, with 73% of families preferring it to playing in the park or watching TV.

Learndirect is launching a free children's book, Where Did the River Go? - backed by television presenter Eamonn Holmes and his partner Ruth Langsford - to encourage parents to test themselves as they read to their children.

Holmes said: "Reading together as a family is very important to us. It's an opportunity for quality time and we can do it anywhere. It's a good way to test yourself but it doesn't take away from the enjoyment of reading with your kids." The book is filled with maths and English puzzles that need to be solved to reach the conclusion of the story.

The poll of 1,000 parents with children aged five to 10 found that a third of parents had problems helping their children with maths, particularly fractions and percentages. One in five had difficulties with English homework and 12% of parents said they struggled to understand books they read to their children. Learndirect estimates there are 26 million adults who struggle with English or maths.

Child psychologist Pat Spungin said parents could help their children to improve English skills by reading them stories. "When parents read to children they are physically close, giving all their attention to their children and sharing the experience of reading something they both enjoy," she said. "In this age of screen-based leisure, regular reading with young children can establish good long term reading habits."

Learndirect's research found that, on average, parents read to their children four times a week for 20 minutes, which Dr Spungin said was encouraging.

On one hand it's great that kids seem to be getting read to, and on the other, what a state of affairs if the parents are struggling with the books.

Momo
26th July 2007, 01:23 PM
Bedtime stories a problem for many parents

Helen Carter
Tuesday July 24, 2007
The Guardian

One in 10 parents struggle to understand the bedtime stories they read to their children, a survey by adult learning organisation Learndirect has found. Almost a quarter (23%) skip passages they cannot read or invent words to get to the end of a sentence, the poll found. A third of parents also admit to difficulties in helping their children with their maths homework...

On one hand it's great that kids seem to be getting read to, and on the other, what a state of affairs if the parents are struggling with the books.
:scared:

Jeremy DEagle
26th July 2007, 01:34 PM
:scared:

I really struggle to believe that that is true. It surely can't be the case!

Colyngbourne
27th July 2007, 03:26 PM
I don't know anyone else in offline life that reads to their children after the age of six or so. Besides thinking that it's pointless once they can read to themselves, I think people think they have no time to do it. People aren't used to reading things out loud so I guess lots of people will make mistakes and feel awkward about words they don't use in everyday conversation. But the more you read aloud, the easier it gets.

Hazel
27th July 2007, 04:07 PM
My eldest is 6 and far from thinking about letting him read to himself, I am now thinking of all the more sophisticated books I can read to him now.

Jeremy DEagle
27th July 2007, 05:03 PM
My eldest is 6 and far from thinking about letting him read to himself, I am now thinking of all the more sophisticated books I can read to him now.

Same here, I long to read the Hobbit to my girls. I love reading aloud and have done it a few times with the missus (so to speak!). I'm not very good with baby, kids books as find them boring, which I realise is very selfish of me.

Hazel
27th July 2007, 06:07 PM
I long to read the Hobbit to my girls.

Yikes - are you sure they long to hear it? ;)

Boris the Cat
28th July 2007, 11:09 AM
One in 10 parents struggle to understand the bedtime stories they read to their children, a survey by adult learning organisation Learndirect has found. Almost a quarter (23%) skip passages they cannot read or invent words to get to the end of a sentence

My only problem is when reading Harry Potter to the boys, I sometimes have change sentences so that they are grammatically correct, or leave out words that are drastically overused (like the constant repetition of the name Rita Skeeter in one of the books - I thought I was reading a Little Britain script, David Walliams uses that device a lot for comedy effect!).

It seemed sensible with only one copy of the latest horror for me to resume reading duties for one last time. I'm four chapters in and already regretting it, I hope I'm not spoiling it for the boys by keeping on stopping and shouting "Why doesn't she just get on with it, for goodness sake???", but I can't help myself. It's no wonder the books have kept getting longer and longer, she needs a firm editor.

Hazel
11th August 2008, 12:33 PM
online.wsj.com/article/SB121814900158422243.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Interesting article on getting boys to read - nothing surprising, but interesting nonetheless.

Momo
30th October 2008, 02:03 PM
I'm not surprised. However, the older they get, the less they are interested in these kind of books and if they don't move on to some sort of adult books, they're lost again. My oldest son (now 10) has devoured Science Fiction and Fantasy for a while but now he feels they are all the same. Mind you, with his studies, he doesn't have much time for leisure and does a lot of reading for uni.

megustaleer
30th October 2008, 08:49 PM
My oldest son (now 10)...
... does a lot of reading for uni.I presume you hit the 0 by mistake, instead of the 9? - unless your son is exceptionally academically gifted ;)

Momo
31st October 2008, 09:07 PM
I presume you hit the 0 by mistake, instead of the 9? - unless your son is exceptionally academically gifted ;)Exactly, he is 19. Well, exceptionally gifted - who knows. But certainly also exceptionally lazy and therefore I'm surprised he made it into uni at all. :D